Allen Family History

Sources of Information: 1. Llansannan, Denbigh, Wales Parish Registers, 1667-1812 (FHL #942.93/L1 K29c)

Notes:

ROBERT ALLEN RESEARCH REPORT

[LewisEvansDavies102504 / 0346] 31 October 2004

Davies Lineage After retrieving this researcher=s previous research notes from the project file, it became clear a major review was needed of the follow up research which was conducted in the report davies081104 dated 31 August 2004. A brief review of the results demonstrates this need: ACorrected christening date of John Hughes@ (to 28 Oct 1751, Llansannan); the original date being Aabout 1750.@ This same date was found previously in October 2003 during a research trip to Wales.

ACorrected marriage date of John Williams@ (from no date to 23 Sep 1807, Llansannan). This date was also found in the October 2003 research trip.

Moving on to the research report itself, on page 2 the will of John Williams of Rhydidion Bach was located B however, the original of this will was located in Wales and copied for that report. His christening was previously found, which stated his mother was Elizabeth, formerly Elizabeth Davies of Heskin. His marriage was also located, and a copy of the license obtained. William Davies The report mentioned above states the marriage record of William needs to be obtained by correspondence, duly ordered, and received. However, this information was obtained on the Welsh research trip during 2003. Much of this report was a re-do of the Welsh research trip, so it appears the researcher either did not have access to this information, or did not review it prior to his research . At this point, we agree with the researcher that the lineage of Gaenor (or perhaps Eleanor) Owens is in question. We are a bit concerned that the marriage of Robert Davies to Gaenor was not in the Gwytherin Parish Registers, the Gwytherin Bishop=s Transcripts, nor the Hayes Marriage Index for Denbighshire. We also checked the Llangernyw Parish Records for the same information, but no record was located.
While searching in this parish (Llangernyw), we searched 1730-1779 for other children of Robert Davies and Dorothy, and found entries for the following children who were in the data file: David, Catherine, Margaret, Anne, John, Robert, Thomas, and Eleanor, before stopping this search. All of them were children of Robert (shoemaker) and Dorothy. We also re-examined the Llansannan Parish Registers for more information about the family of Elizabeth Davies wife of David Williams. We found a potential entry for Elizabeth Davies, daughter of Hugh Davies of Heskin and Catharine, christened 13 March 1763. This fits the chronology of a marriage in March 1785 to David Williams. We also searched for the christening of Jonnet Pierce from 1747 to 1761, but it was not located in this parish. The christening for John Hughes (28 October 1751) in the client PAF file lists his parents as David and Joan Hughes. Looking at the same records above, we discovered his mother was actually Sina or Sinai [document #7] and found additional family members: William, son of David Hughes of Llwyn y Gibws and Sina his wife 8ber 8 (1749) p. 101 John, son of David Hughes of Llwyn y Gibws and Sinai his wife xber 28 (1751) p. 103 Edward, son of David Hughes of Llwyn Gibws and Sinai his wife May 5 (1754) p. 106 Adam, son of David Hughes of Llan and Sina his wife 9br. 20 (1756) p. 109 John Hughes of this parish and Jonnet Pierce of this parish were Married in this Church by Banns this third Day of May in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred and seventy six p. 351

We now turned our attention back to the marriage of Robert Davies and Eleanor Owens received by correspondence. This marriage took place in the parish of Ysbyty Ifan and a copy was sent to us [document #5]. The transcript states the following: 8 Jan 1797 Robert Davies, X (signed by mark) and Elinor Owen X both of this parish by banns, witnesses: William Davies, X and Edward Davies, X

We checked the Isbyty Ifan Bishop=s Transcripts to follow up on this entry, since these records are here. The information is the same, except for the fact the witnesses were not mentioned. We also found an Elizabeth Davies, daughter of Robert Davies and Elinor Owen his wife, who was baptized 6 August 1797. This appears to be a sister of the ancestral William Davies, if this is the right marriage. We then turned to the Hayes Marriage Index for Denbigh in an attempt to locate a marriage for either of the witnesses mentioned above. The idea behind this search was perhaps one of them was Robert=s father. There were no marriages for Edward Davies from 1732-1797 in this parish, but there were several for a William Davies: William Davies married Sarah Richard 1764 William Davies married to Jane Hughes 1754 William Davies married to Margaret Ellis 1744

We then returned to the Isbyty Ifan Bishop=s Transcripts, where we found the family of William Davies and Sarah Richard: 1764, Jan 7 William Davies Bach= and Sarah Richard Spinster both of this parish were married by banns 1766, Nov 9 David, the son of William Davies and Sarah his wife (christened) 1768, May 12 Catherine, the dau of William Davies of Ty=n Nant and Sarah his wife (chr) 1770, Dec 15 Richard, the son of William Davies of Ty=n Nant and Sarah Richard his wife (chr) 1772, Apr 14 Alice, the dau of William Davies of Ty=n Nant and Sarah Richard his wife (chr) 1775, Mar 20 Gwen, dau of William Davies of Ty=n Nant and Sarah Richard his wife (chr)

As one can see, there is a gap between 1770 and 1772 into which Robert could fit, but it seems unlikely. We also found a Robert Davies, son of Thomas Davies of Plasiolyn and Jane Roberts his wife, christened 25 November 1771. This could fit chronologically with a birth of 22 June 1771. Again the marriage sent to us via correspondence was found in the same source here at the Family History Library in Ysbyty Ifan Parish Registers. Lewis lineage The report lewis080904 on this family was much better, in that only a little overlap was noticed in comparison to the Welsh research trip of 2003. There was a bit of a red herring in following the John Lewis of Colwinston, but this was a logical item to track down and eliminate. The concern here is this is the only marriage found in the state church for a John Lewis to a Margaret John, and at this time period all people regardless of religious affiliation were required by law to marry in the Church of Wales.
Previous research in Wales determined John Lewis Jr. was buried at a Welsh Independent chapel in 1854; neither of them are in St. David=s Probate Index; and they are not in the parish registers of St. John juxta Swansea. There seems to be only one logical conclusion to the marriage issue: perhaps we do not have the correct version of John Lewis= and Margaret John=s last names (either or both).
During the 2003 research trip we discovered neither the Lewis family nor the Evans family were in the parish registers of St. Johns juxta Swansea, which of course indicates a non-conformist association. We also briefly looked at recommendation #3 from the 27 August 2004 report, which was to search the Llangyfelach Bishop=s Transcripts, where we found the baptism of Margaret, daughter of John and Martha Lewis, at Pwllyr dur, Colier, 5 April 1817. We searched these records from 1815 to 1833. Recommendation #4 was dependent upon the 1851 Census Index of Glamorgan arriving at the Family History Library, but it has not appeared yet. Recommendation #5 is really not a great idea, and probably would not work, so should be deferred until everything else has been done. What remains to be done in Wales on these combined families is still quite imposing. We do need to locate the records (if they exist) of the six Non-Conformist Chapels outlined in the Lewis report. We also need to examine the estate papers of the local landed gentry who were the landlords of the property the ancestral families inhabited in Wales. We can probably find a copy of the 1851 Glamorgan Census Index in Swansea. We also need to order any certificates mentioned. As for the Davies side, we also need to order any outstanding certificates. The burial records could be retrieved while in Wales quite easily. Here, also, we need to determine if estate papers will help us. This would require us to again travel to the Denbigh County Record Office. It has been a pleasure to assist you in researching and documenting your family history. We look forward to continuing research according to your instructions. _2004 Price & Associates Incorporated JMK/mh LewisEvansDavies102504 / 0346] 31 October 2004